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#1 rahula

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 09:57 AM

Hi,

"This great earth, Ananda, is established upon liquid, the liquid upon the atmosphere, and the atmosphere upon space. And when, Ananda, mighty atmospheric disturbances take place, the liquid is agitated. And with the agitation of the liquid, tremors of the earth arise. This is the first reason, the first cause for the arising of mighty earthquakes." (Digha Nikaya 16)

How do you understand this passage in light of science?

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#2 mike

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 05:02 PM

QUOTE(rahula @ Sep 25 2010, 02:57 AM) View Post

Hi,

"This great earth, Ananda, is established upon liquid, the liquid upon the atmosphere, and the atmosphere upon space. And when, Ananda, mighty atmospheric disturbances take place, the liquid is agitated. And with the agitation of the liquid, tremors of the earth arise. This is the first reason, the first cause for the arising of mighty earthquakes." (Digha Nikaya 16)

How do you understand this passage in light of science?

Thanks a lot,
Rahula


Hi Rahula,

In my opinion, the expressions translated here as 'this great earth', 'liquid', 'atmosphere', 'space', 'agitation', and 'tremors of the earth' are meant to be understood as pa~n~natti--'designation; name; concept'--rather than paramattha--'truth in the ultimate sense'. They are just conventions of the day for what we now know as geology, meteorology, oceanography. seismology and so on in a general sense.

To take these as references to paramattha dhammas or as a conflation of concept and reality would be a fundamental mistake, as I see it.

So if I'm right the dialogue--and the conceptual world it refers to--needn't be consistent with modern science to be perfectly true and consistent with the Dhamma. If there are still people a few centuries from now, all those sciences will probably be very different but the Dhamma will still be just as true in the same way as it always has been and is now.

Just myy two cents' worth.

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#3 Punna

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Posted 15 January 2016 - 08:46 PM

plate tectonic is not proven yet for the ocean is too deep one cannot fathom

 

This is saying that the entire continent is sitting on top of the water thus explaining continental drift.

 

A more accurate translation is that the water sits on the wind and when the great wind blow the water moves and when the water moves  it effects the land that is sitting on top of the water there arise an earth quake thus following a tsunami.

 

this is true considering Ankor Watt where the entire mass of land with very heavy buildings made of stones floats on water.

 

and this matter also state in the Agganna Sutta. in beginning there is only water and darkness no stars. then after a very long time savory earth spread itself over the water. After a long time again these savory earth hardens or disappear and mushroom grew from the new earth or a fungus cropped up in the manner of a mushroom. 

 

these scientists never really hits the actual ocean floor which is impossible due to water pressure.

 

There are also 7 other ways an earth may quake that science can never reveal. so the land sits on the water, the water sits on the wind and the wind sits in space.