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#1 RobertK

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Posted 24 March 2007 - 02:09 AM

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han tun <hantun1@...> wrote:

Lily de Silva gave a lot of sutta references when she wrote ‘The Value of Giving’ [Daana Corner (25)]. Although ‘The Value of Giving’ is not finished yet, do you have any comments on the text so far finished? Or, would you rather wait till it is finished completely?
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S: I hope others will have comments and questions for you! I'm afraid we're rather behind in our reading, but your note caught my attention.

Let me add one comment for now only - this may be what you had in mind, anyway:-))

According to one sutta (A.iv,241-43), if one practices giving and morality to a very limited degree and has no idea about meditation, one obtains an unfortunate birth in the human world.

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S: You (and James) may be surprised and happy to hear I fully agree:-)

However, we need to be clear what is meant by meditation here:

A quick check of the Pali indicates that the text is referring to the 3 pu~n~na kiriya vatthu (bases of meritorious deeds), i.e siila-maya-, daana-maya- and bhaavanaa-maya-pu~n~na kiriya vatthu:

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Idha pana bhikkhave, ekaccassa daanamaya"m pu~n~nakiriyavatthu adhimatta"m kata"m hoti, siilamaya"m pu~n~nakiriyavatthu adhimatta"m kata"m heti, bhaavanaamaya"m pu~n~nakiriyavatthu naabhisambhoti."


S: As we know the commentaries elaborate these into 10 and that bhaavanaa- here includes expounding the Dhamma (desanaaa), listening to the Dhamma (savana) and straightening one's views (di.t.thujukamma).

http://www.palikanon...na_kiriya_v.htm

I'll look forward to reading the other details more carefully later.

Thanks again for your good work.

Metta,

Sarah

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Posted 24 March 2007 - 07:25 AM

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6. Pu¤¤akiriyavatthusuttaü- Meritorious actions.

004.06. Bhikkhus, these three are meritorious actions. What three?

Meritorious actions founded on giving gifts, founded on virtues and founded on development. Here, bhikkhus, a certain person has done meritorious actions founded on giving gifts insignificantly, meritorious actions founded on virtues insignificantly and he is not awakened to meritorious actions founded on development. After death he is born a human in misfortune.

Here, bhikkhus, a certain person has done a few meritorious actions founded on giving gifts, a few meritorious actions founded on virtues and he is not awakened to meritorious actions founded on development. After death he is born a fortunate human.

Here, bhikkhus, a certain person has done meritorious actions founded on giving gifts significantly, meritorious actions founded on virtues significantly and he is not awakened to meritorious actions founded on development. After death he is born with the guardian gods. There, bhikkhus, the rulers of the four guardian gods in ten instances exceed the other guardian gods by doing exceeding meritorious actions founded on giving gifts and virtues. The ten instances are heavenly, life span, beauty, pleasantness, fame, authority, forms, sounds, scents, tastes and touches.

Here, bhikkhus, a certain person has done meritorious actions founded on giving gifts significantly, meritorious actions founded on virtues significantly and he is not awakened to meritorious actions founded on development. After death he is born with the gods.of the thirty three There, bhikkhus, Sakka the king of gods in ten instances exceeds the thirty three gods by doing exceeding meritorious actions founded on giving gifts and virtues. The ten instances are heavenly, life span, beauty, pleasantness, fame, authority, forms, sounds, scents, tastes and touches.

Here, bhikkhus, a certain person has done meritorious actions founded on giving gifts significantly, meritorious actions founded on virtues significantly and he is not awakened to meritorious actions founded on development. After death he is born with the Titan gods. There, bhikkhus, Suyama, the son of gods in ten instances exceeds the other Titan gods by doing exceeding meritorious actions founded on giving gifts and virtues. The ten instances are heavenly, life span, beauty, pleasantness, fame, authority, forms, sounds, scents, tastes and touches.

Here, bhikkhus, a certain person has done meritorious actions founded on giving gifts significantly, meritorious actions founded on virtues significantly and he is not awakened to meritorious actions founded on development. After death he is born with the gods of happiness. There, bhikkhus, Santusita the son of gods in ten instances exceed the other gods by doing exceeding meritorious actions founded on giving gifts and virtues. The ten instances are heavenly, life span, beauty, pleasantness, fame, authority, forms, sounds, scents, tastes and touches.

Here, bhikkhus, a certain person has done meritorious actions founded on giving gifts significantly, meritorious actions founded on virtues significantly and he is not awakened to meritorious actions founded on development. After death he is born with the gods of creation. There, bhikkhus, Sunimmita the son of gods in ten instances exceed the other gods attached to creating by doing exceeding meritorious actions founded on giving gifts and virtues. The ten instances are heavenly, life span, beauty, pleasantness, fame, authority, forms, sounds, scents, tastes and touches.

Here, bhikkhus, a certain person has done meritorious actions founded on giving gifts significantly, meritorious actions founded on virtues significantly and he is not awakened to meritorious actions founded on development. After death he is born with the gods attached to creatingt others There, bhikkhus, Vasavatti the son of gods in ten instances exceed the other gods at5tached to creating others by doing exceeding meritorious actions founded on giving gifts and virtues. The ten instances are heavenly, life span, beauty, pleasantness, fame, authority, forms, sounds, scents, tastes and touches. Bhikkhus, these three are the meritorious actions.



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Posted 24 March 2007 - 07:25 AM

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Posted 27 March 2007 - 11:34 AM

Sarah abbot writes
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> > S: I agree. I think the problem is that 'meditation' has a lot of its
> own connotations these days and can be misleading. Of course, the same
> applies to many terms.
> ===========================
>Howard:
>......what English would
> *you* use for 'samatha bhavana' and 'vipassana bhavana' that you prefer
> to 'meditation'?
....
S: I think in genreal, the common translation: 'the development of calm
(samatha) and insight (vipassana)' is best kept to.

In the context of this discussion, it is
bhaavanaa-maya-pu~n~na-kiriya-vatthu that is being referred to. This is
the 3rd base of meritorious deeds in the 3-fold classification (in the
suttas) or in the 10-fold classification in the commentaries.

In the Atthasalini (translated as 'The Expositor', PTS) in ch V111,
'Remaining Types of Consciousness', it lists the 10 bases of meritorious
deeds and then elaborates on them. When it comes to this 3rd base,
bhaavanaa-maya-pu~n~na- kiriya-vatthu, it says:

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"(3) In one who cultivates (bhaavanaa) himself, regarding both the eye as
impermanent, ill and selfless (aniccato dukkhato anattato), and the other
senses and the mind, also visible and other sense-objects, objects of
thought, sense-cognition with mental cognition, perception of
sense-objects, old age and death all in the same way as is taught in
analytical knowledge (pa.tisambhidaa) by the path of insight
(vipassanaamaggena), all his volitions that have not attained
ecstasy(appanam) in the thirty-eight objects of consciousness (viz, 40
kamma.t.thaanas minus aaloka and aakaasa) constitute the basis of
meritorious action in culture.(pu~n~nakiriyavatthu naama)"

....
S: In this context of the bases of meritorious deeds, it seems to be
particularly 'the path of insight' that is intended. I agree with James
that the dictionary meaning of meditation is more along the lines of
'reflection' and 'contemplation'. If this is what you mean by
'meditation', it's not too bad, but of course, the development of insight,
the understanding of namas and rupas, is much more than mere wise
contemplation.

The text continues to elaborate on the meaning of the other bases (pu~n~na
kiriya vatthu).

It then says:

QUOTE
"In the Suttas there are only three bases of meritorious action - charity,
virtue and culture. The other bases should be understood as included in
these three. Respect and dutifulness are thus included in that which
consists of virtue. Sharing of merit and thanksgiving are included in that
which consists of charity; teaching, hearing the Law and rectification of
opinion in that which consists of culture (bhaavanaa). Rectification of
opinion, in the doctrine of those teachers who say that it has the
characteristic of assurance in all the bases, is comprehended in the three
bases of charity, virtue and culture. [S: exactly as Han explained
before.] Thus these bases of meritorious act from three in abstract and
are ten when expanded."


Metta,

Sarah