In Dhammastudygroup, Yahoo Group, Alberto wrote:
AlbertoMessage 1 of 11 , Oct 1(Jan 22nd 2013 - am, 10m)
Than Acharn: For example, the aasava, it follows the process of seeing, or even in the process of seeing there's kusala or akusala, depending on conditions; for those who do not have accumulations for kusala to arise as quickly as that there is always akusala, whether it's moha-mula citta [rooted in ignorance], or lobha-mula citta [rooted in attachment].
If pa~n~na does not understand seeing or what's in that (sense door) process like hearing, or visible object and sound, no way to eliminate the attachment or ignorance from that which is seen or heard; that's why even (though) one knows about aasava and it does not appear, but by understanding the very moment of that object which appears - it's the only way to understand, and have less aasava: because pa~n~na is there instead of aasava.
Sarah: Ditthi, avijja, and lobha are all aasavas, why isn't dosa an aasava?
TA: no, because it's not as quick :-) as lobha and moha.
TA: what arises now?... guessing that it's there... it falls away instantly; so among the fourteen (akusala) cetasikas, what arise more... rapidly? the aasava: kaamaasava, bhavaasava, ditthaasava, and avijjaasava.
Lukas: What arises more often?
S: my question was, there are four aasavas, kaamaasava, attachment to sense object; bhavaasava, attachment to ... becoming...
TA: becoming? :-)
Betty: Can we say that something arise more often than...
TA: No we, no we.
B: ok, can it :-) be said that aasavas arise...
TA: that is also by lobha :-), (whenever) each word is tought, so aasava is there - avijjaasava, and who knows (that)? it arises and falls away very rapidly, only studying knows that it's beyond one's understanding to know such moment, but by having more and more understanding it's less and less, then one sees that that's the way to become enlightened to the degree of arahatta.
philofillet10/07/2013 8:12 AMDear Alberto, group "Panna is there instead of aasasva..." Aasava is the alusala that is always bubbling up in response to what is seen heard tasted smelled touched? Phil
kevinf596Message 3 of 11 , 10/07/2013 4:37 PM
Dear Phil, Albert, all,
Phil: "Panna is there instead of aasasva..." Aasava is the alusala that is always bubbling up in response to what is seen heard tasted smelled touched? Phil
Kevin: Visuddhimagga (ХХII, 56):
"Cankers (āsava): ... is a term for greed for sense desires, greed for becoming, wrong view, and ignorance, because of the exuding (savana) [of these defilements] from unguarded sense-doors like water from cracks in a pot in the sense of constant trickling, or because of their producing (savana) the suffering of the round of rebirths."
And elsewhere Dmytro wrote:
'Aasavaa' are 'openings' through which 'upakkilesaa' become possible. Thus it
becomes understandable why the final Unbinding is described as extinction of 'aasavaa', the very 'inlets' of craving in sense doors.