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#1 Johann (Hanzze)

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:31 PM

Dear Dhammika and Dhammikinis,

since I am not very well versed in regard of formal Abhidhamma I would like to ask if anybody has a good, short and compact explaining of the impact of Stinginess in relation to the possibility of gaining even a taste of the deathless, insight and release and what would be the result of concentration (which kind of concentration can be respected) if this root condition is not present?

To display a sample and what is meant by stinginess I would like to quote the "Macchariya Suttas: Stinginess"
 

AN 5.254: Macchariya Sutta — Stinginess (1)

 

"Monks, there are these five forms of stinginess. Which five? Stinginess as to one's monastery [lodgings], stinginess as to one's family [of supporters], stinginess as to one's gains, stinginess as to one's status, and stinginess as to the Dhamma. These are the five forms of stinginess. And the meanest of these five is this: stinginess as to the Dhamma."

 

AN 5.255: Macchariya Sutta — Stinginess (2)

 

"With the abandoning and eradication of the five forms of stinginess, the holy life is fulfilled. Which five?

"With the abandoning and eradication of stinginess as to one's monastery [lodgings], the holy life is fulfilled. With the abandoning and eradication of stinginess as to one's family [of supporters] ... stinginess as to one's gains ... stinginess as to one's status ... stinginess as to the Dhamma, the holy life is fulfilled.

 

"With the abandoning and eradication of these five forms of stinginess, the holy life is fulfilled."

 

AN 5.256: Macchariya Sutta — Stinginess (3)

 

"Without abandoning these five qualities, one is incapable of entering & remaining in the first jhana. Which five? Stinginess as to one's monastery [lodgings], stinginess as to one's family [of supporters], stinginess as to one's gains, stinginess as to one's status, and stinginess as to the Dhamma. Without abandoning these five qualities, one is incapable of entering & remaining in the first jhana.

 

"With the abandoning of these five qualities, one is capable of entering & remaining in the first jhana. Which five? Stinginess as to one's monastery [lodgings]... one's family [of supporters]... one's gains... one's status, and stinginess as to the Dhamma. With the abandoning of these five qualities, one is capable of entering & remaining in the first jhana."

 

AN 5.257-263: Macchariya Suttas — Stinginess (4)

 

"Without abandoning these five qualities, one is incapable of entering & remaining in the second jhana... the third jhana ... the fourth jhana; incapable of realizing the fruit of stream-entry... the fruit of once-returning... the fruit of non-returning... arahantship. Which five? Stinginess as to one's monastery [lodgings]... one's family [of supporters]... one's gains... one's status, and stinginess as to the Dhamma. Without abandoning these five qualities, one is incapable of entering & remaining in the second jhana... the third jhana... the fourth jhana; one is incapable realizing the fruit of stream-entry... the fruit of once-returning... the fruit of non-returning... arahantship.

 

"With the abandoning of these five qualities, one is capable of entering & remaining in the second jhana... the third jhana... the fourth jhana; capable of realizing the fruit of stream-entry... the fruit of once-returning... the fruit of non-returning... arahantship. Which five? Stinginess as to one's monastery [lodgings]... one's family [of supporters]... one's gains... one's status, and stinginess as to the Dhamma. With the abandoning of these five qualities, one is capable of entering & remaining in the second jhana... the third jhana... the fourth jhana; capable realizing the fruit of stream-entry... the fruit of once-returning... the fruit of non-returning... arahantship."

 

AN 5.264: Macchariya Sutta — Stinginess (5)

 

"Without abandoning these five qualities, one is incapable of entering & remaining in the first jhana. Which five? Stinginess as to one's monastery [lodgings], stinginess as to one's family [of supporters], stinginess as to one's gains, stinginess as to one's status, and ingratitude. Without abandoning these five qualities, one is incapable of entering & remaining in the first jhana.

 

"With the abandoning of these five qualities, one is capable of entering & remaining in the first jhana..."

 

AN 5.265-271: Macchariya Sutta — Stinginess (6)

 

"Without abandoning these five qualities, one is incapable of entering & remaining in the second jhana... the third jhana... the fourth jhana; incapable of realizing the fruit of stream-entry... the fruit of once-returning... the fruit of non-returning... arahantship. Which five? Stinginess as to one's monastery [lodgings], stinginess as to one's family [of supporters], stinginess as to one's gains, stinginess as to one's status, and ingratitude. Without abandoning these five qualities, one is incapable of entering & remaining in the second jhana... the third jhana... the fourth jhana; one is incapable realizing the fruit of stream-entry... the fruit of once-returning... the fruit of non-returning... arahantship.

 

"With the abandoning of these five qualities, one is capable of entering & remaining in the second jhana... the third jhana... the fourth jhana; capable of realizing the fruit of stream-entry... the fruit of once-returning... the fruit of non-returning... arahantship..."

 

 

(its maybe worthy to note, that this conditions are for both valide, Laypeople and Bhikkhus. Its "just" that a Bhikkhu, even a Buddha would not urge laypeople in such as it could be misunderstood as Dana suggestion if spoken direct.)

Thanks for any gift of Abidhamma explanation in relation to the question.

 

It would be also great if anybody could share a Detail meaning of what stinginess in regard of vihara, family, one's gains, one's status, stinginess as to the Dhamma and ingratitude means in general and with samples to understand.

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Edited by Johann (Hanzze), 22 November 2013 - 12:34 PM.


#2 RobertK

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 01:45 PM

the sotapanna has eliminated all stinginess as it is a coarse form of clinging.
but until then we all have varying degrees..
reflecting on kamma snd its results is one of the antitodes..

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 06:40 PM

Hmm... "reflecting on kamma snd its results is one of the antitodes" how could one, not entered the stream yet, wisely reflect on kamma?

I am not sure, if there is any advice or chain before generosity. As for a monk, those things are covered by their rules (since not all are lower stream enterer, if they ordinate, so here it should be theoretical solved) but for laypeople?

You know the reaction if you tell somebody "don't do this" or "be generous", there would be not easy more that anger, or if good some shame.

Generally I guess, it does not makes sense to start form before generosity in this step by step teachings. Or did I oversee something in your message, RobertK?