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#1 RobertK

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 03:57 AM


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Dear Alex,
Op 14-jul-2011, om 16:54 heeft A T het volgende geschreven:

> But didn't the sutta explicitly said that feeling, perception and
> consciousness cannot be examined separetely?
>
> ""Feeling, perception, & consciousness are conjoined, friend, not
> disjoined. It is not possible, having separated them one from
> another, to delineate the difference among them. For what one
> feels, that one perceives. What one perceives, that one cognizes. "
> http://www.accesstoi...n.043.than.html
>
> Please note that one cannot separate one from another, and one
> cannot delineate the difference among them.
>
> "what one feels, that one perceives. What one perceives, that one
> cognizes" .
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N: It helps to use the transl of Ven. Bodhi and the notes taken from
the co: <Wisdom has been excluded from this exchange because the
intention is to show only the states that are conjoined on every
occasion of consciousness.>
THus here there is no reference to pa~n~naa that arises shortly after
the naama khandhas have fallen away and can be aware of one
characteristic at a time.
------
Nina.

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 06:52 PM

QUOTE(RobertK @ Jul 18 2011, 08:57 PM) View Post

http://groups.yahoo..../message/116278
Dear Alex,
Op 14-jul-2011, om 16:54 heeft A T het volgende geschreven:

> But didn't the sutta explicitly said that feeling, perception and
> consciousness cannot be examined separetely?
>
> ""Feeling, perception, & consciousness are conjoined, friend, not
> disjoined. It is not possible, having separated them one from
> another, to delineate the difference among them. For what one
> feels, that one perceives. What one perceives, that one cognizes. "
> http://www.accesstoi...n.043.than.html
>
> Please note that one cannot separate one from another, and one
> cannot delineate the difference among them.
>
> "what one feels, that one perceives. What one perceives, that one
> cognizes" .
-------
N: It helps to use the transl of Ven. Bodhi and the notes taken from
the co: <Wisdom has been excluded from this exchange because the
intention is to show only the states that are conjoined on every
occasion of consciousness.>
THus here there is no reference to pa~n~naa that arises shortly after
the naama khandhas have fallen away and can be aware of one
characteristic at a time.
------
Nina.

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Hi Nina (and Robert),

Thanks for this. Nina, you aren't suggesting, are you, that pa~n~naa can differentiate between vedanaa, sa~n~naa and vi~n~naana, are you? Rather than simply understanding the lakkha.na inherent in all of them conjointly?

mike