[RobertK]

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dhammastudygroup/message/98257
Jon wrote:

"On the issue of "practice", what I've said is that the development of
insight is not a matter to doing specified things as a form of practice.
It's a matter of having a better understanding of the way things are,
gained from reflecting on how what one has heard and understood relates
to the present moment."
<....>

>On the other hand, did you write it with the backing of Theravada Pali
texts? If so, could you produce the Pali texts that support your
assertion?
....
Sarah: Pls use anything of relevance and ignore anything you don't find
of relevance related to the meaning of vipassanaa, the factors leading
to enlightenmentand vipassanaa in Abhidhamma texts as quoted before by
you:

1) (as given before by Nina)> PTS Dictionary has a full article on
pa~n~naa. Here are some of the meanings given in the first line:
intelligence, com- prising all the higher faculties of cognition,
"intellect as conversant with general truths" (Dial. ii.68), reason,
wisdom, insight, knowledge, recognition.
>
For vipassanaa: Vipassanโ (f.) [fr. vi+passati; BSk. vipassanaa, e.g.
Divy 44, 95, 264 etc.] inward vision, insight, intuition, introspection.

2) When a person realizes with wisdom (vipassanaa)
that all sa"nkhaara [conditioned things] are impermanent;
then he would tire of dukkha.
This is the path of purity. (Dh.277)
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3)#98111

CSCD
311. <<Cattaari sotaapattiya'ngaani - sappurisasa.msevo,
saddhammassavana.m, yonisomanasikaaro, dhammaanudhammappa.tipatti.

Walshe
DN 33.1.11(13) 'Four factors of Stream-Attainment (sotaapattiyangaani):
association with good people (sappurisa-sa'mseva), hearing the true
Dhamma,
thorough attention (yoniso manasikaara), practice of the Dhamma in its
entirety(dhammaanudhamma-pa.tipatti)
.....

4)#31806
Suan: >Both the terms "anupassanaa" and "vipassanaa" in their turn are
merely the synonyms of the term "pa๑๑aa".

Please view the following Pali quote from Section 357, Vibha~nga, the
second Abhidhamma Pi.taka text. This quote defines the term "Anupassii"
by
simple asking "What is anupassanaa (katamaa anupassanaa)?"

"Vibha~nge pana anupassiiti tattha "katamaa anupassanaa?
Yaa pa๑๑aa pajaananaa vicayo pavicayo dhammavicayo
sallakkha.naa upalakkha.naa paccupalakkha.naa
pa.n.diccam kosallam nepu๑๑am vebhabyaa cintaa upaparikkhaa
bhuurii medhaa pari.naayikaa VIPASSANAA sampaja๑๑am
patodo pa๑๑aa pa๑๑indriyam pa๑๑aabalam pa๑๑aasattham
pa๑๑aa
paasaado pa๑๑aa-aaloko pa๑๑aa-obhaaso pa๑๑aapajjoto pa๑๑aa
ratanam
amoho dhammavicayo sammaadi.t.thi, ayam vuccati
anupassanaa."

Did you see the term "vipassanaa" in capital letters? Please also check
other synonyms such as Sammaadi.t.thi (the Right View) as the last one.<
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>Sarah: Translation given in PTS Book of Analysis:

"357. `Contemplating [anupassiiti]' means: Therein what is
contemplation
[anupassanaa]? that which is wisdom [pa๑๑aa], understanding
[pajaananaa],
:[see par 525]: absence of dullness, truth investigation, right view.
This is called contemplation. Of this contemplation he is possessed,
well
possessed, attained, well attained, endowed, well endowed, furnished.
Therefore this is called `contemplating'."
...
>Suan: The following is Pali passage from Section 525, Vibha~nga.

525. "Sampajaano"ti tattha katamam sampaja๑๑am? Yaa
pa๑๑aa pajaananaa vicayo pavicayo dhammavicayo
sallakkha.naa upalakkha.naa paccupalakkha.naa pa.n.diccam kosallam
nepu๑๑am vebhabyaa cintaa upaparikkhaa bhuuriimedhaa pari.naayikaa
vipassanaa sampaja๑๑am patodo pa๑๑aa pa๑๑indriyam
pa๑๑aabalam
pa๑๑aasattham pa๑๑aapaasaado pa๑๑aa-aaloko pa๑๑aa-obhaaso
pa๑๑aapajjoto pa๑๑aaratanam amoho dhammavicayo
sammaadiตตhi–
idam vuccati "sampaja๑๑am".
Iti imaaya ca satiyaa iminaa ca sampaja๑๑ena upeto hoti …pe…
samannaagato. Evam bhikkhu sato sampajaano abhikkamati,
sato sampajaano pa.tikkamati, sato sampajaano aaloketi, sato
sampajaano viloketi, sato sampajaano sami๑jeti, sato sampajaano
pasaareti, sato sampajaanakaarii hoti, sa~nghaa.tipattaciivaradhaara.ne
sato sampajaanakaarii hoti, asite piite khaayite saayite sato
sampajaanakaarii hoti, uccaarapassaavakamme sato
sampajaanakaarii hoti, gate .thite nisinne sutte jaagarite bhaasite
tu.nhiibhaave sampajaanakaarii hoti.<
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>Sarah: Translation from `Book of Analysis':
"525: `Aware'[Sampajaano] means: Therein what is awareness
[sampaja๑๑am]?
that which is wisdom [pa๑๑aa], understanding, investigation,
research,
truth investigation, discernment, discrimination, differentiation,
erudition, proficiency, subtlety, analysis, consideration, breadth,
sagacity, guidance, insight, awareness, goad, wisdom, controlling
faculty
of wisdom, power of wisdom, sword of wisdom, tower of wisdom, light of
wisdom, lustre of wisdom, splendour of wisdom, jewel of wisdom, absence
of
dullness, truth investigation, right view.
This is called awareness. Thus of this mindfulness and this awareness he
is possessed, :see para 357: furnished. Thus a bhikkhu mindful and aware
approaches; mindful and aware he departs; mindful and aware he looks
ahead; mindful and aware he looks around; mindful and aware he bends;
mindful and aware he stretches; mindful he acts with awareness; in
bearing the outer robe, the alms-bowl and the under robe, mindful he
acts
with awareness; in eating, in drinking, in chewing, in tasting, mindful
he
acts with awareness; in walking, in standing, in sitting, in sleeping,
in
waking, in talking, in being silent, he acts with awareness."
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#31744

> The following list is also the synonyms of pa๑๑aa in Section 16,
> Cittuppaada Ka.n.dam, Dhammasa~nga.nii (the First Book of
> Abhidhamma).
>
> 16. Katamam tasmim samaye pa๑๑indriyam hoti? Yaa
> tasmim samaye pa๑๑aa pajaananaa vicayo pavicayo dhammavicayo
> sallakkha.naa upalakkha.naa paccupalakkha.naa
> pa.n.diccam kosallam nepu๑๑am vebhabyaa cintaa
> upaparikkhaa bhuurii medhaa pari.naayikaa vipassanaa
> sampaja๑๑am patodo pa๑๑aa pa๑๑indriyam pa๑๑aabalam
> pa๑๑aasattham pa๑๑aapaasaado pa๑๑aa-aaloko pa๑๑aa-obhaaso
> pa๑๑aapajjoto pa๑๑aaratanam amoho dhammavicayo
sammaadi.t.thi–
> idam tasmim samaye pa๑๑indriyam hoti.
>
> Although the list does not contain "Anupassanaa" as in the list in
> Vibha~nga, it does contain the terms of Satipa.t.thaana Suttam,
> namely, pajaananaa (from pajaanaati), and sampaja๑๑am.
>
> You could perhaps check the PTS translation of Dhammasanga.nii at
> Section 16, Cittuppaada Ka.n.dam. See what happens in terms of
> adequacy and clarity!
...
Yes, this is given in full - OK very briefly, it's a transl by Mrs
Rhys
Davids (your favourite, Suan;-)).

"The insight which there is on that occasion is understanding,
search,
research, searching the Doctrine, discernment, discrimination,
differentiation, erudition, proficiency, subtlety, criticism,
reflection,
analysis, breadth, sagacity, a `guide', intuition, intelligence,
a `goad';
wisdom as faculty, wisdom as power, wisdom as a sword, wisdom as a
height
[in the sense of sth lofty], wisdom as light, wisdom as glory, wisdom as
splendour, wisdom as a precious stone; the absence of dullness,
searching
the Truth, right views - this is the wisdom that there then is."
****

Metta,

Sarah

[RobertK]

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dhammastudygroup/message/99513
Dear Han,
Yes, I understand what you mean by control.
Op 24-jul-2009, om 11:57 heeft han tun het volgende geschreven:

> Nevertheless, It is my duty to do meritorious deeds to the best of
> my ability. It is my duty to guard the faculties, and so on. I do
> not care about the results. I do not care whether I will achieve
> anything or nothing in this life.
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N: We agree on what our duties are, no problem. What about the
different cittas arising because of their own conditions? I read in
the Atthasaalini (Cittupaada, Analysis of Terms): By samaya is shown
the concurrence of conditions, the mutual contribution towards the
production of a common result. The Expositor explains with regard to
samaya as condition: <By this word showing thus the condition, the
conceit of one who believes that states unconditionally follow one’s
own will is subdued.>

In the same passage: It shows the extreme shortness of the time in
the occurrence of kusala citta and it points out <the extreme rarity
of such moments>. It stresses that advice has been given that we
should have strenuousness and earnestness in pa.tivedha, realization
of the truth, since this is very difficult: <as difficult for the
mind as stringing pearls in the dark by a lightning-flash, because of
its extremely short duration.>

No contradiction. We remember that there are cittas accompanied by
cetasikas arising because of conditions.

Nina.

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